now, I have a lot of trouble being nice about this since I am sort of a hugely belligerent asshole on this topic, but I’ll do my best to curb it and give you some ideas so that way you can phrase it in a way that’s helpful to you. as always, I’ll post a million of the links I always post.
- "always be lilith, never eve". this phrase is inherently pretty awful. first and foremost, there is nothing wrong with Eve. people who try to sell the “weak, submissive” stereotype as Eve in exchange for “dominant, feminine” stereotype of Lilith is wildly incorrect. Eve was tricked by Satan, Adam was tricked by a human. Eve brought humans knowledge, and Eve is the one who, well, is the reason we’re all here. Eve is just as present and great of a figure as Lilith is. people generally say this because they view submission as being weak and harmful to some flavors of feminist narratives. take the time to tell these people that all women should be accepted into your religious worldview. always be women if that’s what you choose, period. (Link)
- "Lilith was the First Wife". take the time to ask this person where this information comes from. you’ll find that it takes place in absolutely no religious texts. the Alphabet of Ben-Sira is a text that was written about multiple Arabic and Hebrew "folk stories", however is viewed as parody by a lot of the Jewish Community because it is very slanderous to a lot of the religion. it is used by those who regard the Zohar as religious text, but that is mostly Chasidics and those who follow Jewish mysticism. this is not a large faction of the Jewish people. but always battle the idea that this was "ancient Jewish stories", as it was not. Ben-Sira came around possibly during the 8-10th century, and was written anonymously. (Link)
- "First Feminist". this is based on a mix of the above. this is a term used to shut down the "submissiveness" of Eve, while glorifying a story that people claim to be biblical fact when it is not. in reality, Lilith is a being of lust, sexual abuse, miscarriage, and child abduction/murder. she was feared by the Jewish people, and they regularly warded their homes from her. none of these qualities are inherently feminist. (Link)
if you need any other information, I talk about a lot this in the Lilith Defense Squad tag. hope this helps!
On my feminist blog, I wrote an entire analysis about why Adam was the dumbass and Eve wasn’t. Adam wasn’t even really tricked by Eve; Adam was standing there the whole damn time & didn’t do anything when the serpent was talking to Eve. So that means that either he was deceived by the serpent too, or he *wasn’t* deceived and that would make him an evil accomplice of Satan. We’ll go with the former.
I don’t think that the original Adam&Eve story was intended to be misogynist. If anything, it kinda makes men to look like horrible people that just sit & watch as their wives are deceived by demons.
I think that it’s the misogynists that came along in the future, that misconstrued the meaning of Adam&Eve into being a woman-shaming story about women bringing all the evil into the world.